Curse

Mav · May 22, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

I know the game is relatively new

I also have played enough to see all the cinematics or not want to see those I didnt bother doing

Why the **** is it 100% of a party needs to skip for the entire party to skip a cinematic?

This has to be the most over simplified idea in the game. If 75% say yes, then do it.

When you've got a party of 8 people, and theres a nice near-5 minute cinematic and 7 out of 8 skip but one guy doesn't....

I know, some people wanna watch them. guess what, i don't. neither do 6 out of 8 of the party.

the needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few

every time that comes up (1 guy refusing to skip), we cant do shit, we cant kill the guy who doesnt skip (assuming we figure out who doesnt), we cant force him to skip even though 99% of the party wants too.

a new system needs to be brought up for this. personally i could give a rats ass about the story i just wanna play the game, if i wanted a cinematic id watch a movie

oh and thanks for locking the idiots thread, cause the people that dont skip cinematics when the entire party tells you too/asks you too/BEGS YOU TOO deserve to be listed in that thread

drowningfish999 · May 22, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Well maybe if there were some way to replay cinematics after youve already seen them, but there isnt, and since most people probably dont want to have to replay an entire section just to see a movie scene, I think its fine. Just because you dont care about the story line doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

Sekkira · May 22, 2005, 03:24 AM // 03:24

It's not up to everyone else to ruin the game for that one person. If he wants to view the cinematic, too bad. Have a rest, make a coffee or something if you don't want to watch it. Most of the time the person may not have even seen it before. Then we'll see people complaining about parties that skip the cinematic for them.

Mav · May 22, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Well why keep the current "voting" system in for cinematics if all it takes is 1 person to not skip it? The whole skip voting thing seems democratic in view but in actual play it's flawed.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of one person.

Arri · May 22, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

It's not up to everyone else to ruin the game for that one person. If he wants to view the cinematic, too bad. Have a rest, make a coffee or something if you don't want to watch it. Most of the time the person may not have even seen it before. Then we'll see people complaining about parties that skip the cinematic for them.

exactly...There should also be a way to re-play cinematics, as said above, so say...If you had to go AFK for a moment and then a cinematic starts, the guy who went AFK should be able to see it again whenever he wants so he wont have to make a new character just to see it.

drowningfish999 · May 22, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Arri

exactly...There should also be a way to re-play cinematics, as said above, so say...If you had to go AFK for a moment and then a cinematic starts, the guy who went AFK should be able to see it again whenever he wants so he wont have to make a new character just to see it.

There are tons of games that let you replay cinematics, even if you have to obtain something to get it. Example...in Morrowind, there was a ring you got that let you replay any movie scene. There should be something like this in Guild Wars too, even if its just a simple menu option. Until then, i think its best it stays at all or none.

Kershent · May 22, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

The ability to replay cinematics would be wonderful, especially on certain missions where if you don't skip it actually hurts your chances of winning. Best example (maybe even the only one), Elona Reach. That cinematic actually cuts into your half hour to do the mission. How that one got through beta testing I'll never know.

Regardless, cinematics shouldn't be ruined for the one person who wants to watch, so quit being so selfish.

Aria · May 22, 2005, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Please keep this thread free of flaming, and try to rein in your tempers. Personal attacks of any kind will not be allowed in these forums.

Thank you,
Aria

Akasha · May 22, 2005, 03:55 AM // 03:55

While having to watch cinematics I've already seen can be annoying, as stated above it isn't my right to skip over them if there are group members present who have not seen them yet.
If your group members don't have the foresight to decide if you're skipping or watching, I guess you just have to roll with it. Personally I would like to see our chat window remain during the cinematic, transparent and within the letterbox so as not to detract from the cinematic itself. That way you can either b*tch about skipping it, or mention you've never seen it and tell the rest to chill out. Of course you can also chat with friends/guildies during the cin. if the chat window were visible.

Jackathan · May 22, 2005, 03:56 AM // 03:56

this game's cinematics suck so hard

I was hoping to see some with the effort put into them such as the cinematic trailer that came out awhile ago.

That is one thing blizzard has got on this game :|

Midnight Scorpion · May 22, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

The solution already exists in the game. When playing tombs, you can skip the cutscene at the beginning of every map and walk around, while others who choose to view it, view it. There might be some reason with respect to RP purposes that this isnt so in the actual rp scene, like the person who chose to view the cinematic watching his teammates die or get attacked, or cast mad spells to ruin his cinematic quality ... cinematic

I think it is by no means a good thing for that 1 person who wants to watch it, have to skip it because of a majority vote.

The option to view all movies is a good one, though.

elorei · May 22, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by Mav

Well why keep the current "voting" system in for cinematics if all it takes is 1 person to not skip it? The whole skip voting thing seems democratic in view but in actual play it's flawed.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of one person.

its not voting. its just a tally. time to start running mishes with henchies only if the cinematic bothers you so much. and yes, seeing the same one ten times over is annoying, yet EVERY infuse run i do i get to see it (on my 3rd char now to do it). is it annoying? hell yes, that seer saying "agonizing tooouuuuch" makes me wanna punch someone. but if someone hasnt seen it, they deserve every right to see it, even if i dont wanna.

DrSLUGFly · May 22, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28

I agree with everyone but the opening poster. (EDIT: : and the guy below me : : EDIT) If even one person out of 8 is doing the mission for the first time then that person deserves to see the cinematic. If I'm helping another character catch up to me then I don't even press "skip" until I see that the other (or others) has too.

And yes, there should be an option to leave the party during the cinematic, that way if someone has already seen it they can at least go ahead into the town (most cinematics lead to a town) and sort out business while the others watch it. If I'm playing an 8 person party and 7 of them want to skip the cinematic, I'll watch it through because my 1 to 2 hrs of playing has earned me that cinematic.

Crom the Conqueror · May 22, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Agree, the cinematic should be automatically skipped if the majority of the players wish to skip it. I had been in situations when 7 out of 8 people in my team wants to skip the cine, but just that one last asshole that just dont want to skip , so the rest of us were forced to watch it. And as if thats not bad enough, mobs can attack us during cinematic, now thats one major bug, they really should fix that bug.

dargon · May 22, 2005, 05:57 AM // 05:57

The problem with 'replaying cutscenes' is that the cutscenes don't actually exist. They are generated on the fly using the built in graphics engine plus a couple extras (voices, etc). Or haven't you scene your party get smashed during a cutscene when it started but not all the mobs were dead

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Navaros · May 22, 2005, 05:59 AM // 05:59

cinematics should play or be skipped solely based on the choice of the so-called party leader

DrSLUGFly · May 22, 2005, 06:08 AM // 06:08

since the cutscene is made on the fly, as was said, why can't someone skip the cutscene alone? If it transports you somewhere you could travel there when you hit skip, otherwise you just continue where you are and watch your teammates stand there staring... or doing whatever...

I could never agree to denying a person seeing the cutscene. I mean damn, you play out a tough mission for who knows how long, dieing over and over again at the same boss till your whole party is at -60%, then when you're just about to be knighted 3/5 players skip the scene causing the 2 remaining players (and poor Alesia) to miss their moment of glory...

If you've already done the quest then why are you doing it again? You don't get the XP or the reward again...

Mercury Angel · May 22, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Mav

Well why keep the current "voting" system in for cinematics if all it takes is 1 person to not skip it? The whole skip voting thing seems democratic in view but in actual play it's flawed.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of one person.

I'm guessing you've never heard of a hung jury, wherein a single person can cause it by a vote of 'not guilty', against 11 votes of guilty...

In any case, the best solution, in my opinion, has already been stated, and that is to let the people who want to skip it resume play. At least then they can kill some monsters or play dice while they wait.
It's not like the game isn't in motion while you watch the cutscene, because believe me, it is.

Ring of Fire, had a wa/mo rush the first part of the mission the cutscene. One of the monsters followed him up to that point, and all through the cutscene, you could see him taking hits. 7/8 wanted to skip the movie, 1 did not. When the cutscene ended, the wa/mo died immediately.

There is simply no reason why it shouldn't work out that you can singly skip the movie and wait around inside the mission, since the mission is going on around you anyway. Especially as in the above example, where watching the cutscene can cost you your life.

DarkWasp · May 22, 2005, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Take Elona Reach for example, never doing that one again. So its best that i saw the scenes atleast one.

Xelig · May 22, 2005, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Mav

I know, some people wanna watch them. guess what, i don't. neither do 6 out of 8 of the party.

the needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few

This is a team game. Those are "Cooperative Missions" you're taking part in. That means putting aside selfish desires for 60 seconds to allow other people to have their fun too. Why should you have the authority to deny someone else part of the game they paid for? You're not losing anything by sitting through the cutscene, other than a minute (or possibly two) of your time. But if you had the ability to deny them viewing the cutscene, they'd have to re-run the entire mission again just to see it, wasting maybe another full hour of their time -- that is, assuming their next team didn't skip it too.